I'll respond here as I'm not on the $kas Discord server. Q: "I have found Shai's reviews of Igra lacking in [...] A: I never once reviewed Igra Q: "his outright dismissal of Kasplex lacking in specifics" A: I don't think that's unreasonable of me to lack in specific given that the core of my criticism is that they don't publish the specifics of their design to public scrutiny. Q: "Based on discussions here, it's not plausible that a SC platform lacking zk proofs could be considered decentralized." A: I have not read said discussions, and I definitely do not consider them an irrefutable scientific source. I don't have the full details about Igra's design, and what trust model it will have eventually. I am working with what I have. There isn't enough information to make definitive statements about either technology. That's why the discussion is about conduct. On the one hand, I see Kasplex, who have a track record of releasing centralized protocols, having poor quality control, being obtuse about the details, and setting near-term launch dates before the community has had the chance to review and comment on their network. On the other hand, I see Igra, who are constantly consulting with the community, go out of their way to answer any questions, and already provided infinitely more information about their product than Kasplex, despite not having anything near a mainnet launch date. Now here is the thing: conduct is something only the community can enforce, especially in a fair-launch project. Neither Kasplex nor Igra owes it to the community to share anything at all. But on the other hand, the community doesn't owe any of them their trust and support. That has to be earned. It is the community's responsibility to keep builders straight by constant scrutiny and pushback. And those who engage (like Igra) should be rewarded, while those who constantly avoid and deflect it (like Kasplex) should be penalized. Rallying up behind any project just because "it is building on Kaspa", completely disregarding its work ethics, business culture, or ulterior motivations, is just asking to be exploited. It is not Kasplex's responsibility, neither it is Igra's responsibility. It is your responsibility. Or even more directly: Ask. Everyone. Everything. Air out all the hard questions. Press until you get answers. Don't let up. Don't let them lie to you, sell you dreams to make you apathetic, or deflect to other subjects. Take them up on their promises. Make every builder and investor eyeing Kaspa from outside see that the Kaspa community has a compass for quality. Make it having the community approval be a badge of honor that has to be earned, not something that can be bought with some cash and a lot of compelling but unsubstantiated promises. Here's a great opportunity to demand answers from Kasplex: I already pointed out some key question: What is the trust model? How will bridging work? When will they publish it? Will the community have enough time to scrutinize it? Didn't you announce that you are getting a security audit? When is it due? How does it make sense to announce a launch date before the audit was even published? Will it be published before launch? What about the source code and documentation? You can also get more technical: what kind of ZK proof system are you using? Are you going to use a prover network? If so, how are you going to fund it? Will it be possible to trustlessly sync full nodes, or only light nodes based on trusted snapshots? Etc. etc.....